I made these with a bunch of herbs that I grew this year. If you don't have fresh herbs, you can use dried. I've done this in the oven, and even in one of those microwave steamer bags. (That took about 15 minutes of cooking time in the bag) I make all my recipes at home with no salt, but I post it in recipes cuz I know most people still like to use it.) If you choose not to use salt, substitute about 1/2-1 tsp cayenne pepper for added flavour.