I got this recipe from one of my mom's best friends. I love this recipe and I also use it for cake. I promise you that this is better than any store bought box mix. They don't turn out as dense as your typical brownie, but if you are like my wife, who likes the real dense chewy brownie, you can omit some of the baking soda. I love them just the way they are. It is up to you, how you like your brownies, but I know that you will love these. Oh, and the frosting rocks.