Best with the egg. Mine was kind of thin but I may not have measured the starch correctly. I made this using whipping cream (35%) & water as that's all I had on hand. I used dark brown sugar, sea salt, tapioca starch to be corn free, alcohol free vanilla from my local health food store & garnished the middle with dry pan toasted, slivered blanched almonds. I liked it warm. DD (toddler) was eating it cold.