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    Some people can be mighty JERKY

    Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:01 am
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    So we had our next class yesterday - we'd gotten switched to a 9AM class, which is pretty great.

    This is a smaller group - this little Golden that we were in a basic class with WAY back when he was a puppy (he's grown up so much!), the friendly little black dog from our last couple of classes, another "lab mix" that, frankly, looks like a black corgi, and the two Boston terriers.

    And, of course, Jar.

    Jar has learned, when he gets in the car, that we're usually going somewhere. He's clever that way, I guess. icon_rolleyes.gif So anyway, he's gotten to be SUCH a jerk in the car - I don't know if it's excitement or nervousness, but it's ANNOYING beyond belief - the barking and yipping and jumping around - I want to SLAM on the brakes and tell him to SIT his A$$ down and SHUT UP. (But I don't.)

    Yesterday, first, I put the seat down so he (his leash) was within reach of me while I was driving. And then I stopped at the bank - see, we're not going anywhere, so settle down. I also left plenty of time so when he DID start being a pita, I could just pull over and wait for him to simmer down.

    We get to class, which, I swear, is the ONLY time he pulls at the leash. Because he hadn't actually gotten all wound up in the car, the walk into the class was much better, too Yay.

    Then we got into class, and the little black corgi-looking thing evidently hadn't had his morning walk, so HE was a bundle of energy, to say the least.

    And those Boston terriers - the owners had ABSOLUTELY no clue. About anything. They kept staring at Jar, which is never a good thing, and those bulgy little eyes always freak him out. So he was . . . less than cooperative. Since Jar was the only one in the class who had done this class before, WE were to go first and show them the heeling patterns. ONly Jar was too busy being a FREAKING IDIOT about the little bug-eyed freak Boston terrier to PAY ATTENTION to me. And the bug-eyed freak's handler had NO FREAKING CLUE. At one point, while Bob was TELLING her to keep her dog with her, don't let him just run up to Jar, AS HE WAS SAYING IT, she's letting the dog wander around, practically climbing over me to get to Jar.

    Yeah, he got a little jerky. At one point, we did leave and walked down the hall and around the foyer, then we came back and he settled down a bit. Bug-eyes ended up going into another room where he could work on paying attention to his handler, because CLEARLY he didn't know that one yet. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Since the material is essentially review for Jar, we're working more on getting him to heel in the correct position - he's too far back, walking right beside me rather than ahead and looking back at me. I'm not sure how to get him to do it right, though - if I slow down, he slows down. icon_rolleyes.gif I'm going to have to go back to luring him into a position a step ahead of where he is now - hopefully if he's got something to CONCENTRATE on, he won't be so concerned with being a JERK.

    It did occur to me, though, after class, that I've been working late every night this week, and he's been Mama-deprived. Last time that happened, he was a petulant toddler in the next class, too. icon_rolleyes.gif

    However, I put some Miles Davis on the car stereo, and he chilled all the way home. icon_wink.gif He's a big jazz fan. . .
    Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:12 pm
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    Kris- even with the "jerky" behavior... he has come SUCH a LONG way.... read some of your early threads.... you guys are an awesome team! And I'm sure that being "mama-deprived" helped the situation be a bit wonkier than it might have been. All in all you guys are still doing great! I am sure that K9 will agree (yes K9?)
    anne in apex
    Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:17 pm Groupie
    Aww, it sounds like he was outnumbered. Even a Very Good Boy can only take so much at once! And I hate those little Marty Feldman dogs. I don't understand why anyone wants an ugly dog.

    As for being a jerk in the car, have you tried "don't MAKE me turn this car around!!" It worked for Mom. rotfl.gif
    Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:32 pm
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    anne in apex wrote:
    Aww, it sounds like he was outnumbered. Even a Very Good Boy can only take so much at once! And I hate those little Marty Feldman dogs. I don't understand why anyone wants an ugly dog.

    As for being a jerk in the car, have you tried "don't MAKE me turn this car around!!" It worked for Mom. rotfl.gif

    rotfl.gif rotfl.gif Who knows.... could work with the Jar too! rotfl.gif rotfl.gif
    K9 Owned
    Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:10 pm
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    Jar did fine in class imo. The buggy eyed dog staring at him is just bad manners! I'm glad the trainer shipped them off. He has come an amazingly long way and is being good but a guy can only take so much ya know icon_wink.gif

    As to the car behaviour - you are a better woman than I. We listed our house for sale on Wednesday and it has been miserable. I knew that going in. Clean, clean clean and vacate when an agent shows up for the appt. Sounds simple. HA! It's sub zero here and walking anywhere is a *itch. I get to run to the door and ask them to wait a minute. Then its wind pants, boots, gloves, hat, coat and scarf THEN leash the dog and run back to tell them to come in while we leave through the back. One couple stayed for a flipping hour. We don't generally walk for an hour when it is this cold. Brrrr. We are getting a lot of showings.

    I digress... anyway, yesterday we set up an appt to see a potential new house about 1 1/2 hours from here. There was an open house at my place so it seemed like good timing. Dawson goes in the back of the minivan (rear seat was removed years ago) with one of those tubular barricades. Maddie gets the seat behind the driver and passenger. They are generally both very good in the vehicle but it has been a stressful few days for them with all the comings and goings. Dawson was an ass! He whined and paced and tried to shove through the barrier. He eventually succeeded and ended up pinned in a corner with his head through one of the railings. We crossed 2 lanes of traffic and I got out to sort it out. Very. very carefully as it was on the 401 (major busy highway). Got him sorted out and resumed the drive. He resumed his whining pushing and pacing. I told him to lie down a number of times but not being able to reinforce the command is frustrating as well as useless. He mangaged to push through it again and pin himself. Same drill as the first time. Stop the car, watch for traffic, untangle the dog. He didn't quit. It got so bad that I watched until Maddie was lying full length and stable, told Dawson to DOWN! waited 2 seconds for compliance and then stepped on the brakes. He lay down. I felt it was better than him breaking his neck through the barrier.

    The homeward trip was peaceful and we hated the house.
    K9 Owned
    Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:17 pm
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    Also Kris..I think resetting the heeling position is a very good idea. I was taught many years ago that 'heel' is a position not necessarily an action. We used to do a drill with the dog sitting beside us, we'd say 'heel' and take one giant step forward and stop. The dogs job was to step forward and stop in position (and sit). They quickly learn that 'heel' means keep your head at my knee (or whatever position you have chosen. It can be a fun drill as you hop forward a time or two then slide to the side a couple of times and even back up. We made it a game.
    K9 Owned
    Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:21 pm
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    It has been a while but I seem to remember the trainer tying a ribbon around a gals knee and getting the dog to target that.
    Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:50 am
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    K9--- wow..... I am familiar with the 401 and you are very lucky and very brave! Any chance of Dawson being crated in the back when you have to make another trip like that? (I don't know how heavy/difficult to move around the crate is) All that and you hated the house to boot! And the people who made you stay outside in that weather for an hour better make a VERY nice offer on your house!! That's just rude.... icon_twisted.gif
    K9 Owned
    Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:18 am
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    His crate is huge. I will have to measure the van and see if it will fit. It would be a huge improvement over that horrible drive. Great idea. I also have a dog seat belt but he won't like that one bit. He can't move much on it icon_smile.gif I'll try the crate first. Thanks for the idea. It never entered my mind because he is generally very good.
    Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:01 pm
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    Hope it works K9...the 401 is no place to have to stop once, let alone twice, to untangle a trapped Dawson! Actually having to do that anyplace would be a hassle...not to mention the possibility of the big lug hurting himself. icon_rolleyes.gif
    K9 Owned
    Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:37 pm
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    Don claims the crate will fit. I'm not so sure. We have a dump rum happening today so no time to check it out. I certainly will before we go on another road trip. icon_rolleyes.gif I was a bit (ok a lot) worried about lifting the tailgate/back door as he wasn't leashed. Having a barrier as a necklace stopped him from considering a walkabout lol but no more of that kind of excitement.
    Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:22 am
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    Jar has busted through "puppy jail" a couple of times, too - we finally took it down because it seemed to make his behavior worse. icon_rolleyes.gif He goes and gets his arms stuck between the slats, or his head stuck between the barrier and the window - it's sad.

    I've done the slamming on the brakes thing - AND the "don't make me stop the car" thing, as well icon_rolleyes.gif

    So we're working on the proper heel position - he's a little puzzled at the moment. icon_wink.gif
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