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    Debra1113
    Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:06 pm
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    Hi everyone,

    I'm actually just stepping into this forum for the first time. DH and I have always been very big on eating meat. We've always figured a meal wasn't a meal if it didn't have meat in it. After both of us realizing recently that we're tired all the time and getting into a rut of eating junk and way too much takeout, we decided we really need to change things and get healthy. I've decided to convert to raw foods, after much research, and I'm really, really inspired.

    I'm wondering if there are any other raw foodists here? I'm very lucky to have a DH that's totally open to change. When I asked him "so how much change in our eating are you up for?" he said, "whatever makes us healthy". How cool is that? As you may have guessed, I do all the meals around here, but I'm happy with that. I bought a food dehyrdator, and just got it, and I can't wait to fire that baby up. icon_biggrin.gif

    If there are other raw food vegans here, I'd love to hear anything you have to say. icon_lol.gif Any tips for a beginner are most welcome. icon_biggrin.gif

    Debra
    sqrl
    Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:39 pm
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    Debra,

    Wow! What a big change. I am not a raw foodist, but I wanted to respond to wish you and DH good luck. I hope you check in with us for updates and recipes.

    I have toyed with the idea. My life right now (full-time grad student with an internship) is not conducive to a change that requires so much attention to meal planning. Although my DH helps with prep and does all clean-up I find very little time to devote to meal preparation these days.

    I am really excited to hear ebout your experiences!
    Roosie
    Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:48 pm
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    I'm supposed to be doing something else right now icon_redface.gif , but I just wanted to mention that Yogi, while not a strict raw foodist, does eat raw a lot of the time and seems to know pretty much. Hopefully she'll be in here with some words for you.

    Good luck!
    Missy Wombat
    Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:08 am
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    Hi Debra,
    I have a few raw food recipes amongst my collection as I felt that someone on Zaar would want one someday. I got them from the newsgroup alt.food.vegan but there probably is no point going there as all the good posters have left due to lots of trolling and spam icon_cry.gif

    Anyway, here are the most obvious ones. there may be a few others that can be made raw:
    Ruth's Flax Seed Balls recipe #51935 [Tried these - easy and good!]
    Chopped Live-R recipe #51917
    Carob Orange Balls recipe #51933
    Uncooked Banana Bread recipe #51932
    Macadamia Pine Nut Cheese recipe #51927
    Mushroom Gravy recipe #51926
    Spinach and Potato Latkes recipe #51934
    Spicy Marinated Mixed Greens recipe #51916
    Unfried beans recipe #51924
    Uncooked Applesauce recipe #51928
    Tomato Salsa recipe #51920
    Curried Lentil Cabbage Salad recipe #51918
    Jalapeno Cheese recipe #51921
    Oriental Dressing recipe #51930
    Sunflower Pate recipe #51931
    'Cream' of Mushroom soup recipe #51922
    Missy Wombat
    Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:17 am
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    Here's a big raw food site http://www.living-foods.com/index.shtml
    Found some more recipes:
    http://www.vegan-food.net/search.cgi?search_text=raw&search_type=all&sort_order=cat&imageField=Search

    and here are some websites recommended by someone else:

    http://www.thegardendiet.com
    http://www.alissacohen.com
    http://www.shazzie.com
    http://http://www.rawandjuicy. com/rawfoodtestimonials.html (this site is personal stories by people who have made tv appearances and written books)

    HTH! And let us know if there are any especially yummy recipes that even we regular vegetarians can cope with!

    Donna


    Last edited by Missy Wombat on Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:30 am, edited 1 time in total
    Missy Wombat
    Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:18 am
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    Quote:
    http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/art_chefwhodoesnt.html

    NY Times
    August 7, 2002

    You Hear About the Chef Who Doesn't Use a Stove?
    by FLORENCE FABRICANT

    LARKSPUR, Calif. - In the wrong setting, undercooked food can earn restaurants a demerit. At Roxanne's, about a half-hour's drive north of San Francisco, where the menu offers fare that is not just undercooked but raw and vegetarian, it's drawing improbable crowds. And despite raw food's sprouts-and-seaweed reputation, calls for reservations are coming from some of the most sophisticated names in the world of, well, cooking.

    "It's hard to imagine a kind of food nobody has ever done," said Marion Cunningham, the cookbook author. "I was very curious about it. And until you try it you have no clue."

    Roxanne Klein, 38, Roxanne's chef and co-owner, serves food in which no ingredient is heated beyond 118 degrees (lest its nutrients, and especially its supposedly energy-giving and age-deterring enzymes, be destroyed). It is also vegan. Ms. Klein uses no animal products of any kind in her cooking, not even dairy and eggs.

    "I thought her food was remarkable," Ms. Cunningham said. Others agree. In the eight months since its opening, the restaurant has ascended to the top of the "must try" list of many chefs, food writers and restaurant buffs, not only in California but increasingly, as word has spread, in other parts of the country. Glowing reviews in the local press, as well as in national magazines like Wine Spectator and Gourmet, have stretched the wait for a reservation to over a month.

    "I loved it," said Hubert Keller, the chef and owner of Fleur de Lys in San Francisco. "I thought it was exciting. There's real technique, meticulous presentation and taste."

    Ms. Klein opened Roxanne's with her husband, Michael Klein, 47. He is a retired telecommunications entrepreneur and an environmental advocate. Ms. Klein said that any profit the restaurant made would go to charities and environmental causes. "We have more than enough money for ourselves, and we want to give something back," she said.

    Roxanne's is a spacious and elegant 62-seat room with chairs and banquettes covered in dark blue plush. The design calls for wearing something dressier than Birkenstocks and a hemp shift. Tables are set with Frette linen and heavy silver.

    The food is beautiful, often dazzlingly so, presented on Bernardaud porcelain and paired with wines poured into Riedel crystal stemware from 250 selections assembled with the help of Larry Stone, one of the country's best sommeliers.

    The chef Bradley Ogden, who owns the Lark Creek Inn, next door to Roxanne's, said he was skeptical about Roxanne's at first. "But relative to all the hype," he said, "she's doing a wonderful job with the ingredients, the execution and the presentation."

    Steven Raichlen, the Miami-based food writer and grilling expert, agreed. He called Ms. Klein's food "breathtaking." Ms. Klein's philosophy of cooking, Mr. Raichlen did add, "runs counter to the history of human development, the hearth and all that."

    Ron Siegel, who is the chef at Masa's in San Francisco, dined at Roxanne's and said that other people liked it more than he did. "I wouldn't go back," he said. "There are plenty of other places that serve interesting food." Mr. Ogden said that sometimes people came into his restaurant from Ms. Klein's, feeling hungry.

    The menu at Roxanne's is written in a language that almost anyone who dines out can understand and find tempting; it is also extremely wide-ranging. Lasagna. Pizza. Ratatouille. Tortilla soup. Falafel. Pad Thai. Banana split. But Ms. Klein has given this vocabulary a new, often bizarre meaning.

    A vegan diet that permits cooked food can include grains and legumes. Not at Roxanne's. Even staples like potatoes and eggplant are excluded because they must be cooked to be
    edible and palatable. Ms. Klein even avoids many kinds of mushrooms, which she originally served but which she found often need cooking to be digestible.

    So how does she concoct "ice cream" for a sundae or the "noodles" for pad Thai and lasagna? What's in those "croutons" scattered over the Caesar salad and the "cheese" dusted on top? How can there be "rice" in the "sushi" or in the filling for the Middle Eastern dolmas?

    Creamy nut milks - made by soaking raw cashews, pine nuts and almonds overnight then puréeing them - is one of the answers. So too is Ms. Klein's parsnip cheese, for which she grates parsnips and then presses them to the consistency of Parmesan. She uses the silken meat of young green coconut to make her noodles, and richly flavored tomato water in a great number of her dishes.

    "I've done a lot of experimenting," Ms. Klein said. She is the co-author, with Charlie Trotter, of "Raw," a cookbook devoted to her techniques that is to be published by Ten Speed Press next spring. Mr. Trotter, the Chicago chef, has been one of her biggest promoters and was responsible for her association with Mr. Stone, the sommelier.

    "I decided to use familiar terms for most of my dishes so people would understand the concept even though the ingredients and the preparation are different," Ms. Klein continued. "My main goal has been to make food that can be enjoyed on its own terms. I wouldn't serve anything that didn't measure up to my standards for a sensual, fine-dining experience."

    Ms. Klein said that making desserts was especially frustrating. "I love pastry cream and ice cream," she said. "I thought about what I could use instead."

    With young coconut and nut milks, she has come up with smooth ice creams and parfaits gorgeously aswirl with fruit purées, chocolate and honey that are as delectable as anything made with dairy, and among her most successful creations.

    Nobody would be fooled by the paper-thin ribbons of raw zucchini standing in for pasta in the lasagna. But in pad Thai the strands of young coconut have a blandness and velvety texture that's surprisingly noodlelike. As for rice, Ms. Klein uses parsnips. "Their graininess works in a ricelike way," she said.

    Maybe.

    There were times, in the course of a tasting menu I had last month, that cooking would have helped. A stuffed Anaheim chili, for example, was moderately hot, raw and crunchy. But had it been softened by charring, it would have made a better package for its filling. Her so-called crackers and pastries made with ground flax in a dehydrator are acceptable at best; their taste reminded me, frankly, of something a hippie might pull from a well-worn backpack. And as enjoyable as the meal was in summer, I wondered how I might like it in New York in January, with the wind chill at minus 10.

    When Robert Wallace, a publishing executive and screenwriter, heard about the restaurant, he said: "I like to go to restaurants when I'm feeling too lazy to cook. I don't like it when the chef feels the same way."

    But no cooking does not mean no work. Ms. Klein's food takes more time and effort than stirring a risotto or roasting a rack of lamb.

    "I love to cook, and I understand how complicated her recipes are," said Helena Sears, a tour operator in San Francisco who lives near the restaurant and eats there at least once a week. "I'm not a vegetarian, but I think she's a genius. Her food is so fresh, so creative and so different from anything else. I just hope the hype dies down so it will be easier to get a reservation." Soon she will be able to buy Roxanne's food to go from the adjacent takeout shop under construction.

    The kitchen at Roxanne's may not have a stove, but it is filled with high-tech gadgets like dehydrators, carefully calibrated warming ovens, frothers, high-speed Vita-Mix blenders, finely honed slicers and $3,000 Pacojet frozen-food churners. There's an industrial hydraulic juicer that presses fruits and vegetables without breaking the cell walls, as juicers usually do; the extracted juices never separate.

    My meal began with a trio of vibrantly colored and flavored amuse-bouche juices that had come from this machine. They were unforgettable little sips.

    Ms. Klein's culinary high-wire act begins on this note of simplicity, but it can end on the opposite end of the spectrum, with an optional $9 "cheese" course: a plate of smoked almond cheese and herb-marinated cashew cheese served with garnishes like olives, honey and dates. Ms. Klein uses yogurt bacteria to ferment the cheeses.

    The restaurant offers a two-course dinner for $29, with additional first courses for $9 each and desserts for $8. The wine list emphasizes full-bodied whites and light reds to complement dishes that have complex, often forceful seasonings without the mouth-filling intensity of meat.

    Those who are determined to eat only raw food would never permit some of the seasonings Ms. Klein uses in her food. Maple syrup and fine balsamic vinegar are both made by heating the ingredients.

    "I'm not compulsive about all of this," Ms. Klein said. "I like the way maple syrup sweetens because it's better for you than refined sugar and not as aggressive as honey. And good balsamic has an intensity you need to add a finish to some dishes."

    Ms. Klein's more permissive approach stood her well during a recent trip to Italy with her husband, she said. The Kleins, who have been on a raw vegan diet for many years, ate pasta and sampled some other cooked foods during their sojourn.

    "I'm a chef," Ms. Klein said. "How could I not?"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/07/dining/07RAWW.html?ex=1029775121&ei=1&en=3e1ecea71a7aedc7
    Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company
    yogi
    Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:50 am
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    Hi Debra!

    How great is that, DH willing to go for whatever is healthy?!
    My dh is doing Atkin's icon_rolleyes.gif , so I have extremes here.

    First, let me tell ya... if you hang around zaar a lot you will be SO tempted to try some cooked recipes cause everything sounds so delicious! icon_biggrin.gif
    I'm not 100% raw by any means but I try to go at least 50% and it's usually more, especially in summer. We have a Whole Foods here that actually has a raw food bar!!!
    I never got a dehydrator, but found my Magic Bullet (smoothies and salad dressings) and food processor are must haves for making raw goodies. Maybe I should start posting some raw recipes here, and if you find some good ones I'd love to try them!
    Here are a few sites that may help ya too -

    http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=81

    http://www.rawguru.com/index.html

    http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/f-3.html

    http://www.rawtimes.com/recipes.html

    http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=584090

    http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/nutrition.html (this guy is SERIOUSLY raw!)
    yogi
    Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:43 am
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    A few more thoughts...

    Watch out for all the nuts! It seems like every other recipe calls for nuts and you could end up eating more than you think. They're good for you, but high fat and calories!

    If you don't do it already, check into sprouting. I just use a jar but you can get trays and what not. My fav is sunflower sprouts, greened up in the sun.

    If you'll be eating lots of fruits and veggies consider buying organic if possible. I have a list of the most highly contaminated somewhere if you're interested. A few I ONLY buy organic are apples, berries, celery, bell peppers, spinach.
    I don't worry too much about broccoli, bananas, kiwis, mangoes.

    This was so good - (HA! Nuts again!!!)
    "caramel" dip for apples
    Blend soaked dates (I used prunes,) almond butter and raw honey till smooth. You'll have to mess around with the proportions cause I'm not a measuring kind of "cook." icon_biggrin.gif
    Ms*Bindy
    Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:13 pm
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    Debra....wow.....

    I can't help with any ideas....but best of luck to you!
    Debra1113
    Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:45 pm
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    Thanks everyone so much for the welcome, and the encouragement! I really appreciate it. The recipes and links you took the time to post are great, they will really help! icon_biggrin.gif

    It's becoming a slow transition, but it's going in the right direction. icon_smile.gif As we find new favourites in the form of raw food recipes, I will be sure to post them, and update you guys!

    sqrl you were right, definitely a lot of planning involved, but this is what I really need and it's good for me. My lack of planning has always been my downfall in eating healthy, so this is a huge wake-up call and the big kick-in-the-butt I need! icon_lol.gif Sorry it took me so long to reply, but I've been busy reading books and collecting raw recipes, etc, etc, etc. icon_biggrin.gif

    Ahhhh, yet another forum to get addicted to. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif
    mliss29
    Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:18 pm
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    I know this is an old thread, but in case anyone else is interested in raw foods, I've been making a cookbook of Zaar recipes that fit the bill.

    RAW foods may have some mistakes. (I found a couple "Raw Apple Cake" recipes to be cooked cakes. icon_rolleyes.gif )

    tweaked raw has some recipes I think would work with just a little bit of adjustment.
    peachy_pie
    Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:46 am
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    If you're still out there i'd be interested in knowing how you were going... I tried raw for a while but found the grocery bill to be extremely high and I was tired all the time. It's a good idea but i think can be dangerous if not done correctly.
    How did it go?
    Debra1113
    Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:26 am
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    mliss29 wrote:
    wave.gif
    I know this is an old thread, but in case anyone else is interested in raw foods, I've been making a cookbook of Zaar recipes that fit the bill.

    RAW foods may have some mistakes. (I found a couple "Raw Apple Cake" recipes to be cooked cakes. icon_rolleyes.gif )

    tweaked raw has some recipes I think would work with just a little bit of adjustment.


    mliss29, thanks for sharing your cookbooks, it's a great idea. Yes, when you do a search for raw, a lot of things come up that aren't. The "Raw Apple Cake" has always been an annoyance to me, LOL. I have been tempted to email the recipe owner and politely ask him/her to change the name. icon_biggrin.gif Anyway, the lists are a great idea, and something I've never gotten around to do. I used to be addicted to this site but just haven't had the time, and the lack of raw recipes and me being the only member at the time (that I knew of) I kind of faded away. Nice to see a couple of other people here now that have an interest. icon_smile.gif

    Are you a raw foodist, or trying to eat more raw foods?

    Debra
    Debra1113
    Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:33 am
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    peachy_pie wrote:
    If you're still out there i'd be interested in knowing how you were going... I tried raw for a while but found the grocery bill to be extremely high and I was tired all the time. It's a good idea but i think can be dangerous if not done correctly.
    How did it go?


    Hi peachy_pie,

    Still going. I struggle with raw on and off, but love it. I always feel better when I'm raw. I don't think it's dangerous, but some of the detox symptoms you get when you first switch to raw and living foods can feel a little strange and might worry you. I was tired all the time when I first started raw too, but did some research and found out it was probably detox, my body working on getting rid of all the toxins of cooked/processed food. Looks like that was right because I eventually got my energy back, and then felt really amazing! icon_smile.gif Once all that gunk was out of my system. My struggles are still emotional eating, and getting rid of bad food habits from 30+ years of cooked food eating, and 17+ years of yo-yo dieting. Raw food, to me, is still the best way to eat, and it's been quite a journey for me so far, but I love the way raw food makes me feel.

    Debra
    mliss29
    Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:21 am
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    LatteLover wrote:

    Are you a raw foodist, or trying to eat more raw foods?


    Well...working on it. I'm still cooking for my family and I'm doing Zaar World Tour, with lots of tempting treats!
    I'm collecting information, library books, and trying new things.

    I just returned to the library Victoria Boutenko's 12 Steps to Raw Foods. In the last chapter she mentioned that former students of hers are now making their living teaching raw foods classes. Here I haven't even made the switch yet, and I was like, "I can do that!" And I may yet!

    Gotta get through ZWT and then...
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