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    racrgal
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:33 pm
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    conniecooks wrote:
    I am working, and then having a cocktail with the girl my son says he is going to marry. She is Jewish, he is not, but he may convert, as her parents refuse to meet him because he is Christian. I just hope that it all turns out with no broken hearts.


    I wish all of you the best in this situation. Two of my friends converted from Christianity to Judaism to get married. Now that a bit of the blush is off the romance, they aren't so happy about their decision to abandon their religion. A broken heart now might be much better than a broken spirit later.
    Saralaya
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:52 pm
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    I'm trying to stay out of religious discussions here but..... a serious Jewish conversion is a lengthy process and people have a lot of time to change their minds....of course there are Rabbis willing to do "quickie" ones... but without significant study it seems not a good idea. Most Rabbis who teach conversion classes seriously discourage conversion simply for the sake of placating future in-laws and some will not accept a student under those circumstances.If this young lady's family is so observant that they won't meet your son ( which I disagree with very much by the way...) they will likely not accept a "quickie" conversion. At any rate, he will have to make his own decision. Good luck to all. [/i]
    racrgal
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:07 pm
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    Saralaya wrote:
    I'm trying to stay out of religious discussions here but..... a serious Jewish conversion is a lengthy process and people have a lot of time to change their minds....of course there are Rabbis willing to do "quickie" ones... but without significant study it seems not a good idea. Most Rabbis who teach conversion classes seriously discourage conversion simply for the sake of placating future in-laws and some will not accept a student under those circumstances.If this young lady's family is so observant that they won't meet your son ( which I disagree with very much by the way...) they will likely not accept a "quickie" conversion. At any rate, he will have to make his own decision. Good luck to all. [/i]


    Saralaya, you make very good points. The schools or classes my friends attended were not only lengthy, they were terribly expensive. Even afterward they have both run into occasions where they were treated as "second class citizens" (for lack of a better description). I would be surprised if such an "observant" family would even accept a converted Jew.
    Saralaya
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:51 pm
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    racrgal wrote:
    Saralaya wrote:
    I'm trying to stay out of religious discussions here but..... a serious Jewish conversion is a lengthy process and people have a lot of time to change their minds....of course there are Rabbis willing to do "quickie" ones... but without significant study it seems not a good idea. Most Rabbis who teach conversion classes seriously discourage conversion simply for the sake of placating future in-laws and some will not accept a student under those circumstances.If this young lady's family is so observant that they won't meet your son ( which I disagree with very much by the way...) they will likely not accept a "quickie" conversion. At any rate, he will have to make his own decision. Good luck to all. [/i]


    Saralaya, you make very good points. The schools or classes my friends attended were not only lengthy, they were terribly expensive. Even afterward they have both run into occasions where they were treated as "second class citizens" (for lack of a better description). I would be surprised if such an "observant" family would even accept a converted Jew.


    As much as I hate to prolong this I feel compelled to say that a really observant family should accept a convert as though they were born Jewish...... that is Jewish law..... one is forbidden to treat converts as "second class citizens".... of course.... people follow laws the way they want to..... icon_rolleyes.gif However, converts whose conversions are not considered valid might be treated that way. A person who does not have a conversion by an Orthodox rabbi may not be considered a true convert by very observant folks...it's a tricky question fraught with nuance and difficult to explain.
    K9 Owned
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:18 pm
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    Just one troll pops up and pounces on this and I come out


    Kidding about the gun. I'm Canadian eh? icon_wink.gif
    Pot Scrubber
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:07 pm
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    I major harshly pruned my patio plants since summer is coming to a close. They have gotten so big and root bound that they are trying to crawl out of their pots.

    I need bigger pots next year. Grrr!
    Pot Scrubber
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:11 pm
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    K9 Owned wrote:
    Just one troll pops up and pounces on this and I come out


    Kidding about the gun. I'm Canadian eh? icon_wink.gif

    K9 Owned
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:17 pm
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    Oh Kitty Cat... the Big Dog is gonna get ya. rotfl.gif
    K9 Owned
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:21 pm
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    with back up of course icon_smile.gif
    Pot Scrubber
    Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:32 pm
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    K9 Owned wrote:
    with back up of course icon_smile.gif


    LOL. My Las Vegas money is betting on the dogs.icon_cool.gif

    .
    conniecooks
    Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:00 am
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    racrgal wrote:
    conniecooks wrote:
    I am working, and then having a cocktail with the girl my son says he is going to marry. She is Jewish, he is not, but he may convert, as her parents refuse to meet him because he is Christian. I just hope that it all turns out with no broken hearts.


    I wish all of you the best in this situation. Two of my friends converted from Christianity to Judaism to get married. Now that a bit of the blush is off the romance, they aren't so happy about their decision to abandon their religion. A broken heart now might be much better than a broken spirit later.
    he has known her a long time, she is his sister's bff, they have been seeing each other for about 2 years, as well. They are not rushing into it. My concern is that even if he does convert, that her family will not accept him.
    racrgal
    Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:14 pm
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    Saralaya wrote:
    racrgal wrote:
    Saralaya wrote:
    I'm trying to stay out of religious discussions here but..... a serious Jewish conversion is a lengthy process and people have a lot of time to change their minds....of course there are Rabbis willing to do "quickie" ones... but without significant study it seems not a good idea. Most Rabbis who teach conversion classes seriously discourage conversion simply for the sake of placating future in-laws and some will not accept a student under those circumstances.If this young lady's family is so observant that they won't meet your son ( which I disagree with very much by the way...) they will likely not accept a "quickie" conversion. At any rate, he will have to make his own decision. Good luck to all. [/i]


    Saralaya, you make very good points. The schools or classes my friends attended were not only lengthy, they were terribly expensive. Even afterward they have both run into occasions where they were treated as "second class citizens" (for lack of a better description). I would be surprised if such an "observant" family would even accept a converted Jew.


    As much as I hate to prolong this I feel compelled to say that a really observant family should accept a convert as though they were born Jewish...... that is Jewish law..... one is forbidden to treat converts as "second class citizens".... of course.... people follow laws the way they want to..... icon_rolleyes.gif However, converts whose conversions are not considered valid might be treated that way. A person who does not have a conversion by an Orthodox rabbi may not be considered a true convert by very observant folks...it's a tricky question fraught with nuance and difficult to explain.


    Of course you are right Saralaya. Unfortunately not everyone is as enlightened as you are. I am not meaning to single out the Jewish faith as I have seen "devout" people of all faiths treat new converts as second class citizens. It boils down to the fact that any denomination/religion is made up of everyday people. I appreciate your explanation and did follow it.
    racrgal
    Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:15 pm
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    K9 Owned wrote:
    Just one troll pops up and pounces on this and I come out


    Kidding about the gun. I'm Canadian eh? icon_wink.gif


    I love that no one bit any ankles and you didn't have to shoot. icon_cool.gif
    racrgal
    Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:16 pm
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    K9 Owned wrote:
    with back up of course icon_smile.gif


    They are GORGEOUS!
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