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    Arming teachers and school staff

    seashell
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:38 am
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    http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130730/US-Arming-Teachers/

    Let's play nice and not have this wind up in the frying pan. I think arming teachers/school staff is a bad idea. There has to be a better way.
    Molly53
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:44 pm
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    I vote for bad idea.
    Okra
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:08 pm
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    Living in a small SD town, it's hard to imagine schools having to resort to carrying/keeping guns and I find the idea very frightening. On the other hand, I've seen and heard about some extremely tough and dangerous schools where, if I were a teacher, I might not feel safe unless I was carrying a gun. Yikes.
    Zeldaz
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:38 pm
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    Teachers are already saddled with too much, this is just one more thing to add to the load. Are the people who support this willing to pay for the 50+ hours of training for each armed teacher? Also, who pays for the weapons and ammunition? Schools can't even pay for basic supplies these days, but they are going to buy ammo? What if a student gets hold of one of the weapons? What if a staff member has religious or moral objections to being expected to shoot to kill?
    Bad idea all around.
    Ducky
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:11 pm
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    Zeldaz wrote:
    Teachers are already saddled with too much, this is just one more thing to add to the load. Are the people who support this willing to pay for the 50+ hours of training for each armed teacher? Also, who pays for the weapons and ammunition? Schools can't even pay for basic supplies these days, but they are going to buy ammo? What if a student gets hold of one of the weapons? What if a staff member has religious or moral objections to being expected to shoot to kill?
    Bad idea all around.

    Who decides if they are mentally stable?
    Zeldaz
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:27 pm
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    Well, if they are in the schools teaching your kids to begin with, you'd better HOPE they are mentally stable! Unless the kids are making them crazy. icon_lol.gif
    seashell
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:40 pm
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    I think that other than being, a parent TEACHING and NURSING are the hardest jobs. I am neither, but I AM a parent (my kids are long grown) and grandparent.
    Ducky
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:50 pm
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    Zeldaz wrote:
    Well, if they are in the schools teaching your kids to begin with, you'd better HOPE they are mentally stable! Unless the kids are making them crazy. icon_lol.gif

    I do HOPE they are stable. However, take any week and there seems to be a news story about some educator or coach doing something illegal or immoral.
    Connie Lea
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:21 pm
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    Zeldaz wrote:
    Teachers are already saddled with too much, this is just one more thing to add to the load. Are the people who support this willing to pay for the 50+ hours of training for each armed teacher? Also, who pays for the weapons and ammunition? Schools can't even pay for basic supplies these days, but they are going to buy ammo? What if a student gets hold of one of the weapons? What if a staff member has religious or moral objections to being expected to shoot to kill?
    Bad idea all around.


    I'm with you Zeldaz. Teachers have enough to deal with without this. Why can't each school have a security person, who has a background check and is armed, rather than having each teacher armed?
    Chicagoland Chef du Jour
    Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:52 pm
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    Connie Lea wrote:
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    Zeldaz wrote:
    Teachers are already saddled with too much, this is just one more thing to add to the load. Are the people who support this willing to pay for the 50+ hours of training for each armed teacher? Also, who pays for the weapons and ammunition? Schools can't even pay for basic supplies these days, but they are going to buy ammo? What if a student gets hold of one of the weapons? What if a staff member has religious or moral objections to being expected to shoot to kill?
    Bad idea all around.


    I'm with you Zeldaz. Teachers have enough to deal with without this. Why can't each school have a security person, who has a background check and is armed, rather than having each teacher armed?


    With all the cuts being made in education, most school districts are not gonna cough up $$ for another salary. There are 13 schools in the public school district in my town alone.

    I don't think every teacher needs to carry a gun but something needs to be done to thwart these whackadoodles.
    Lightly Toasted
    Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:39 pm
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    I am a school nurse. And I was raised in a family of cops. So I have been exposed to different perspectives.

    This is a horrible idea.

    * in a crisis situation, it is hard enough for highly-trained SWAT officers to be accurate with shooting. And they have hundreds of hours of firearms training. A teacher doesn't have those kind of hours available for training.

    *SWAT team members also get psychological training in order to be ABLE to take aim at a person and knowingly take another human's life. Teachers are typically very nurturing. I have a very hard time picturing most of the teachers that I know being capable of pulling the trigger

    * the reality of the designated person being able to get to the secured weapon in a timely manner--ugh. The chaos would be unbelievable. Staff members are trained to protect and secure the safety of the kids. Everyone's instinct is going to be hiding and protecting the kids. The designated person could potentially need to get all the way across the campus, get the gun, and find the shooter.......
    Chicagoland Chef du Jour
    Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:11 am
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    Lightly Toasted wrote:
    I am a school nurse. And I was raised in a family of cops. So I have been exposed to different perspectives.

    This is a horrible idea.

    * in a crisis situation, it is hard enough for highly-trained SWAT officers to be accurate with shooting. And they have hundreds of hours of firearms training. A teacher doesn't have those kind of hours available for training.

    *SWAT team members also get psychological training in order to be ABLE to take aim at a person and knowingly take another human's life. Teachers are typically very nurturing. I have a very hard time picturing most of the teachers that I know being capable of pulling the trigger

    * the reality of the designated person being able to get to the secured weapon in a timely manner--ugh. The chaos would be unbelievable. Staff members are trained to protect and secure the safety of the kids. Everyone's instinct is going to be hiding and protecting the kids. The designated person could potentially need to get all the way across the campus, get the gun, and find the shooter.......


    All excellent points.
    mums the word
    Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:22 pm
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    Very well said Lightly Toasted. I wonder how these teachers feel about being armed. I sure wouldn't want that responsibility or to have to live with myself if I shot someone.

    I don't understand why the school doesn't just hire security that is trained with weapons if they are that concerned.

    It is really sad to think that things have come to this.
    Lightly Toasted
    Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:18 pm
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    mums the word wrote:
    Very well said Lightly Toasted. I wonder how these teachers feel about being armed. I sure wouldn't want that responsibility or to have to live with myself if I shot someone.

    I don't understand why the school doesn't just hire security that is trained with weapons if they are that concerned.

    It is really sad to think that things have come to this.


    I have only talked to ONE teacher who is in favor of the idea. He is ex-military, and was injured in combat. Most of the other teachers that I know shudder at the thought, and voice "what if's" .......and "what if's"......those few seconds of hesitation.......thats what gets you killed.

    As for the schools hiring trained security.......it would be a huge expenditure to hire someone who is trained and capable. And so many school districts are strapped for cash. Its like paying for flood insurance when you live in the desert.
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